[BLUG] Re: BLUG digest, Vol 1 #621 - 5 msgs
Jason Phegley
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On 5/11/07, blug-request_at_cs.indiana.edu <blug-request_at_cs.indiana.edu> wrote=
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> 1. Re: Bragging rights (Mark Krenz)
> 2. Re: IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager (fwd)
> (=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D)
> 3. Re: IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager (fwd) (Matt
> Standish)
> 4. Re: Gas & the 15th (=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D)
> 5. Re: XKCD [was: Gas & the 15th] (Mark Krenz)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:55:23 +0000
> From: Mark Krenz <mark_at_slugbug.org>
> To: blug_at_cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] Bragging rights
> Reply-To: blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu
>
>
> Interesting read. It sounds so much like what happens in management
> at a company. The whole part about Kurt leaving after the re-org is not
> suprising, I once had a manager tell me that its common for that kind of
> thing to happen right after a business re-org.
>
> I think Gentoo will survive the storm. Its amazing how many
> organizations can bleed nearly to death but keep walking and keep
> fighting. Usually its because there is still so much demand from the
> outside, which is still the case with Gentoo.
>
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:32:28AM GMT, Dave Monnier REN-ISAC [
> dmonnier_at_ren-isac.net] said the following:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > Dave Monnier REN-ISAC wrote:
> > > Will follow-up with that.
> >
> > Here's an example of the drama going on between Gentoo dev's
> >
> > http://kulleen.org/seemant/blog/2007/mar/06/a-parade-of-poisons/
> >
> > At first glance it may not look like a big deal, but in reality there's
> a
> > bunch of developers who've been affected enough by the discussed issues
> to
> > leave the project. Some of those folks were key players in the
> project. If
> > ever you get board, take a look at how many people are actually working
> on
> > the project. There's a small handful of people doing the majority of
> > commits. The people talked about in that post are all developers of tha=
t
> > level of impact to the project. Seemant goes on to list others who's
> left
> > as well, you can follow his Gentoo site tag. There's been a few others
> as well.
> >
> > - -Dave
> >
> > - --
> >
> > | Dave Monnier - dmonnier_at_ren-isac.net |
> > | http://nicholas.ren-isac.net/dmonnier/ |
> > | Principal Security Engineer, REN-ISAC http://www.ren-isac.net/ |
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> Mark Krenz
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:22:32 -0400
> From: "=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D" <simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com>
> To: blug_at_cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager
> (fwd)
> Reply-To: blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu
>
> What is this "City's FOSS distribution website" he speaks of?
>
> -The Expatriate
>
> On 5/10/07, David Ernst <david.ernst_at_davidernst.net> wrote:
> > This might be of interest to some of y'all,
> >
> > David
>
> > >needs. Oversees the City's free and open source (FOSS) development
> > >efforts, maintains the City's FOSS distribution website and prepares
>
>
> --
> -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:33:45 -0400
> From: "Matt Standish" <mstandish_at_gmail.com>
> To: blug_at_cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager
> (fwd)
> Reply-To: blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu
>
> I know they have a bunch of in-house stuff they open sourced. Can't
> remember what though.
>
> On 5/11/07, Sim=F3n Ruiz <simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > What is this "City's FOSS distribution website" he speaks of?
> >
> > -The Expatriate
> >
> > On 5/10/07, David Ernst <david.ernst_at_davidernst.net> wrote:
> > > This might be of interest to some of y'all,
> > >
> > > David
> >
> > > >needs. Oversees the City's free and open source (FOSS) development
> > > >efforts, maintains the City's FOSS distribution website and prepares
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:45:39 -0400
> From: "=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D" <simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com>
> To: blug_at_cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: Re: [BLUG] Gas & the 15th
> Reply-To: blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu
>
> http://xkcd.com/c250.html
>
> ...and to bring this back on topic through the magic that is
> association: http://xkcd.com/c149.html
>
> ;-)
>
> On 5/10/07, Brian Wheeler <bdwheele_at_indiana.edu> wrote:
> > #1 "hot item" on snopes.com is "Gas Boycotts"
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.asp
> >
> > Brian
>
> --
> -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:53:56 +0000
> From: Mark Krenz <mark_at_slugbug.org>
> To: blug_at_cs.indiana.edu
> Subject: [BLUG] Re: XKCD [was: Gas & the 15th]
> Reply-To: blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu
>
>
> XKCD is great. Just a few days ago they had a masterpiece of a map of
> online communities:
>
> http://www.xkcd.com/c256.html
>
> Note its also the 2^8th comic too.
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 03:45:39PM GMT, Sim=F3n Ruiz [simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.=
com]
> said the following:
> > http://xkcd.com/c250.html
> >
> > ...and to bring this back on topic through the magic that is
> > association: http://xkcd.com/c149.html
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > On 5/10/07, Brian Wheeler <bdwheele_at_indiana.edu> wrote:
> > >#1 "hot item" on snopes.com is "Gas Boycotts"
> > >
> > >http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.asp
> > >
> > >Brian
> >
> > --
> > -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > BLUG_at_linuxfan.com
> > http://mailman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug
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>
> --
> Mark Krenz
> Bloomington Linux Users Group
> http://www.bloomingtonlinux.org/
>
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=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D)
<br> 3. Re: IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Man=
ager (fwd) (Matt Standish)<br> 4. Re: Gas & the 15th (=3D?I=
SO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D)<br> 5. Re: XKCD [was: Gas &=
the 15th] (Mark Krenz)<br><br>--__--__--
<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:55:23 +0000<br>From: Mark K=
renz <<a href=3D"mailto:mark_at_slugbug.org">mark_at_slugbug.org</a>><br>To=
: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_cs.indiana.edu</a><br>Subject=
: Re: [BLUG] Bragging rights
<br>Reply-To: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_mailman.c=
s.indiana.edu</a><br><br><br> Interesting read. It so=
unds so much like what happens in management<br>at a company. Th=
e whole part about Kurt leaving after the re-org is not
<br>suprising, I once had a manager tell me that its common for that kind o=
f<br>thing to happen right after a business re-org.<br><br> I think Gentoo =
will survive the storm. Its amazing how many<br>organizations ca=
n bleed nearly to death but keep walking and keep
<br>fighting. Usually its because there is still so much demand =
from the<br>outside, which is still the case with Gentoo.<br><br><br>On Fri=
, May 11, 2007 at 07:32:28AM GMT, Dave Monnier REN-ISAC [<a href=3D"mailto:=
dmonnier_at_ren-isac.net">
dmonnier_at_ren-isac.net</a>] said the following:<br>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNE=
D MESSAGE-----<br>> Hash: SHA1<br>><br>> Dave Monnier REN-ISAC wro=
te:<br>> > Will follow-up with that.<br>><br>> Here's an ex=
ample of the drama going on between Gentoo dev's
<br>><br>> <a href=3D"http://kulleen.org/seemant/blog/2007/mar/06/a-p=
arade-of-poisons/">http://kulleen.org/seemant/blog/2007/mar/06/a-parade-of-=
poisons/</a><br>><br>> At first glance it may not look like a big dea=
l, but in reality there's a
<br>> bunch of developers who've been affected enough by the discuss=
ed issues to<br>> leave the project. Some of those folks were key player=
s in the project. If<br>> ever you get board, take a look at =
how many people are actually working on
<br>> the project. There's a small handful of people doin=
g the majority of<br>> commits. The people talked about in that post are=
all developers of that<br>> level of impact to the project. =
Seemant goes on to list others who's left
<br>> as well, you can follow his Gentoo site tag. There'=
s been a few others as well.<br>><br>> - -Dave<br>><br>> - --<b=
r>><br>> |  =
; Dave Monnier - <a href=3D"mailto:dmonnier_at_ren-isac=
.net">
dmonnier_at_ren-isac.net</a> &n=
bsp; |<br>> | =
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sac.net/dmonnier/">http://nicholas.ren-isac.net/dmonnier/</a> &n=
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cipal Security Engineer, REN-ISAC <a href=3D"http://www.ren-isac.net/">
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<br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:22:32 -0400
<br>From: "=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sim=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D" <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com">simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href=
=3D"mailto:blug_at_cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_cs.indiana.edu</a><br>Subject: Re: [BL=
UG] IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager (fwd)
<br>Reply-To: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_mailman.c=
s.indiana.edu</a><br><br>What is this "City's FOSS distribution we=
bsite" he speaks of?<br><br>-The Expatriate<br><br>On 5/10/07, David E=
rnst <
<a href=3D"mailto:david.ernst_at_davidernst.net">david.ernst_at_davidernst.net</a=
>> wrote:<br>> This might be of interest to some of y'all,<br>>=
;<br>> David<br><br>> >needs. Oversees the City's f=
ree and open source (FOSS) development
<br>> >efforts, maintains the City's FOSS distribution website an=
d prepares<br><br><br>--<br>-Sim=F3n A. Ruiz<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>M=
essage: 3<br>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:33:45 -0400<br>From: "Matt Stan=
dish" <
<a href=3D"mailto:mstandish_at_gmail.com">mstandish_at_gmail.com</a>><br>To: <=
a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_cs.indiana.edu</a><br>Subject: R=
e: [BLUG] IT Job Opening: City Systems & Applications Manager (fwd)<br>
Reply-To: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_mailman.cs.in=
diana.edu</a><br><br>I know they have a bunch of in-house stuff they open s=
ourced. Can't<br>remember what though.<br><br>On 5/11/07, Si=
m=F3n Ruiz <
<a href=3D"mailto:simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com">simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com</a>> wr=
ote:<br>> What is this "City's FOSS distribution website" =
he speaks of?<br>><br>> -The Expatriate<br>><br>> On 5/10/07, D=
avid Ernst <
<a href=3D"mailto:david.ernst_at_davidernst.net">david.ernst_at_davidernst.net</a=
>> wrote:<br>> > This might be of interest to some of y'all,<b=
r>> ><br>> > David<br>><br>> > >needs. O=
versees the City's free and open source (FOSS) development
<br>> > >efforts, maintains the City's FOSS distribution websi=
te and prepares<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz<br>>=
<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> BLUG maili=
ng list
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lman.cs.indiana.edu/mailman/listinfo/blug</a><br>><br><br><br>--<br>Matt=
Standish
<br>MSN Messenger: <a href=3D"mailto:mps__at_hotmail.com">mps__at_hotmail.com</a>=
<br>Yahoo Messenger: <a href=3D"mailto:mattstandish_at_yahoo.com">mattstandish=
@yahoo.com</a><br>Google Talk: mstandish<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Messa=
ge: 4
<br>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:45:39 -0400<br>From: "=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=
im=3DF3n_Ruiz?=3D" <<a href=3D"mailto:simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com">simon=
.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_cs.indiana.edu">blu=
g_at_cs.indiana.edu
</a><br>Subject: Re: [BLUG] Gas & the 15th<br>Reply-To: <a href=3D"mail=
to:blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu</a><br><br><a h=
ref=3D"http://xkcd.com/c250.html">http://xkcd.com/c250.html</a><br><br>...a=
nd to bring this back on topic through the magic that is
<br>association: <a href=3D"http://xkcd.com/c149.html">http://xkcd.com/c149=
.html</a><br><br>;-)<br><br>On 5/10/07, Brian Wheeler <<a href=3D"mailto=
:bdwheele_at_indiana.edu">bdwheele_at_indiana.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> #1 "=
;hot item" on=20
<a href=3D"http://snopes.com">snopes.com</a> is "Gas Boycotts"<br=
>><br>> <a href=3D"http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.a=
sp">http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.asp</a><br>><br>>=
; Brian
<br><br>--<br>-Sim=F3n A. Ruiz<br><br><br>--__--__--<br><br>Message: 5<br>D=
ate: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:53:56 +0000<br>From: Mark Krenz <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:mark_at_slugbug.org">mark_at_slugbug.org</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:blu=
g_at_cs.indiana.edu">
blug_at_cs.indiana.edu</a><br>Subject: [BLUG] Re: XKCD [was: Gas & the 15t=
h]<br>Reply-To: <a href=3D"mailto:blug_at_mailman.cs.indiana.edu">blug_at_mailman=
.cs.indiana.edu</a><br><br><br> XKCD is great. Just a=
few days ago they had a masterpiece of a map of
<br>online communities:<br><br> <a href=3D"http://www.xkcd.com/c=
256.html">http://www.xkcd.com/c256.html</a><br><br> Note its als=
o the 2^8th comic too.<br><br>On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 03:45:39PM GMT, Sim=
=F3n Ruiz [<a href=3D"mailto:simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com">
simon.a.ruiz_at_gmail.com</a>] said the following:<br>> <a href=3D"http://x=
kcd.com/c250.html">http://xkcd.com/c250.html</a><br>><br>> ...and to =
bring this back on topic through the magic that is<br>> association: <a =
href=3D"http://xkcd.com/c149.html">
http://xkcd.com/c149.html</a><br>><br>> ;-)<br>><br>> On 5/10/0=
7, Brian Wheeler <<a href=3D"mailto:bdwheele_at_indiana.edu">bdwheele_at_india=
na.edu</a>> wrote:<br>> >#1 "hot item" on <a href=3D"htt=
p://snopes.com">
snopes.com</a> is "Gas Boycotts"<br>> ><br>> ><a href=
=3D"http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.asp">http://www.snopes=
.com/politics/gasoline/gasoline.asp</a><br>> ><br>> >Brian<br>
><br>> --<br>> -Sim=F3n A. Ruiz<br>><br>> __________________=
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r>Mark Krenz<br>Bloomington Linux Users Group<br><a href=3D"http://www.bloo=
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